--- title: 2023-05-03 --- # Co-op Cloud Federation Meeting 2023-05-03 Notes from last meeting: https://docs.coopcloud.tech/federation/minutes/2022-03-03/ Metadata * Time / date: May 3 @ 1500-1630 UTC https://time.is/0330PM_3_May_2023_in_UTC * Location: https://meet.jit.si/coop-cloud-federation-meeting * Attending: Autonomic (trav, 3wc), Local-IT (yksflip, Moritz), decentral1se (🐺 /free agent) * Facilitation: Calix * Notes: trav Agenda _(All times UTC, as sharp as possible)_ * Introductions / checkins (5m) * How you're doing * Which organisation are you attached to? (if applicable) * a fun (or terrible) Co-op Cloud experience you've had recently * Packaging Rustdesk server πŸ₯³ * Realising backupbot labels didn't work 😱 * Upgrading with missing backups πŸ˜… Deployed 18-20 apps at once, wrote a script 🀯 * Immovable force meets unstoppable bug, no deployments β›” * Decisions - what passed, any new proposals? (10m) https://docs.coopcloud.tech/federation/resolutions/ * we review the existing resolutions * Resolution 005 / process * trav: sticking to 2 week deadline for proposals? * d1: there was a meeting where we talked about it being a small decision but then it became medium. G * trav: ahh mixups happen, I don't feel strongly ultimately. * yksflip: maybe check-in with cas but call it passed (?). 2 weeks is a good amount of time but can understand you'd want to move on more quickly. * 3wc: 2 week default good. Very async coordination, espeically if folks have to go back to their co-op to check-in. Fewer people will see it the shorter it is. * Moritz: how to know size of the decision? * 3wc: smallest decision size that seems fair. * d1 in chat: 'who is affected by the decision' * d1: 2 weeks seems good, simpler to stick to that going forward. Super duper emergency budget * What does the second point of Resolution 004 mean * 3wc: first Budget is a budget for these meetings. * Superduperemergencybudget * Trav: For emergency work? * d1: yes, but the part that's missing is to know what is super duper emergency. There are a lot of P1 bugs but they're not all show-stoppers. There are a number of things that need to be fixed quicker than 2 weeks * 3wc: emergency firefighter. Up to whoever proposes the budget as to what the structure would look like. * abra fixes Budget / proposal thingy * https://pad.autonomic.zone/Fp6Zi846TNqATulYFqcJqw * d1: if this was proposed today, wait 2 weeks and then I'd fix them. Or standing budget? * trav: suggestion is wait 2 weeks then implement? or agree standing budget? * 3wc: yes, but also passing emergency budget would also take 2 weeks, no? * d1: propose this and do 10 hours or do a "10 hours" proposal and fit this into it. Not show-stopping bugs but 2 weeks wont kill us. * trav: might be worth passing 10h/mo, something/month for fixes, maintenance / emergency. non-binding poll / gitea voting β†’ what to work on. vs having to package bug work together. less bureaucracy. * d1: can re-work decision 6 into a maintenance budget. Curious how we want to bubble-up the bugs. Board? Label? * yksflip: standing maintenance makes sense to me. * federation bootstrap funds πŸ€‘ * trav: there's money leftover from donor * d1: 6k in the pot, get the work funded. * trav: buffer tho? * Moritz: I'm paid from Local IT. How to decide who is doing which fixes? * d1: people tend to do stuff they want to see done. Some way to share would be good....? * 3wc: tags. Tickets labeled as part of maintenance budget. If assigned to someone, they are point person. Plot twist: time expectation. Someone takes something on and it's unclear when that's going to happen. Claim things for up to a week or 2 but don't claim it until you're ready to work on it. * ** we love it ** * **d1 to roll into maintenance proposal** * doop coop dues waiver https://pad.autonomic.zone/xgd7lLxzT520O4KRXuWyuQ# * 3wc: yusef posted, side project, low income, would like to participate. 1 year waiver of dues. They seem enthusiastic and helpful person to be around. * trav: can decide now? " Individuals/groups wanting to join Co-op Cloud who aren’t able to make a financial contribution may request a solidarity free membership." doesn't say how to make decision * d1: medium seems fine * Moritz: instead of dues perhaps doing some abra fixes * Philip: agree on waiving fees for them. How to define time to spend on project. Alternative membership fee, donate time? * 3wc: part of inspiration for fedration is Co-op Cycle: too complicated to track work and money. Have to track money so wont track work. Like the simplicity. Wage is €20/h, in-kind work contribution would be 30 minutes of work contribution per month. * d1: reflecting on unions etc, pay dues and also contribute. Something to think about. * Checkouts didn't get to: * Breakout groups? * Software tools * Finances * Outreach * Development * next meeting? Is it monthly? I forget.