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- [FAQ](/federation/faq): Take a look if you're curious about the Federation is about 🤓
- [Resolutions](/federation/resolutions): All draft, in-progress and passed resolutions ✊
- [Finance](/federation/finances): How we deal with money 💸
- [Finance](/federation/finance): How we deal with money 💸
- [Membership](/federation/membership): See who's already joined in 🥰
- [Minutes](/federation/minutes): All minutes from our meetings 📒
- [Digital tools](/federation/tools): Tools we use to organise online 🔌

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title: Membership
---
> Are you also interested in joining the federation? Please see [Resolution
> 002](/federation/resolutions/passed/) for our process on how to join. If you have any questions, [drop us a
> line](/intro/contact/) with us for a chat
> Are you also interested in joining the federation? Please see [Resolution 002](/federation/resolutions/passed/002/) for our process on how to join. If you have any questions, [drop us a line](/intro/contact/) with us for a chat
| Name | Dues paid up? | Notes | Contact |
| -------- | -------- | -------- |-------- |

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## Meeting notes
# Co-op cloud federation meeting notes
## 2023-03-03 1500-1600 UTC
- [Breakout Room #1: What software tools do we want to use for our organising?](https://pad.autonomic.zone/CMPv96RNQf-qapA1xyQiGg)
- [Breakout Room #2: How should the finances of the federation work?](https://pad.autonomic.zone/iJjdpX-3QdeD8TacJe5Qnw)
- [Breakout Room #3: Developmeny priorities](https://pad.autonomic.zone/jQyeDPv8Sy6kbBbfxyWP5w)
- [Breakout Room #4: Membership](https://pad.autonomic.zone/-g0KdeIPS_m6Z2KmEAt8bQ#)
## Agenda
### Agenda
(All times UTC, as sharp as possible)
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3. Where else can we promote Co-op Cloud?
4. Development priorities
## Introductions
### Introductions
- name
- pronouns
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* Jamie (FarmOS)
* Mirsal
## Confirming Agenda
### Confirming Agenda
- V: Question about overall objective.
- Calix: Any suggested answers?
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- V: Asking about transcription bots.
- Calix: Suggests that we table for now for later discussion.
## decision-making process
### decision-making process
proposal: https://git.coopcloud.tech/Federation/Federation/wiki/Proposals
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- dc1: General descions are made as more than one person. This informs how to do the calculation for the magnitude.
- kawaiipunk: Medium descisions can pass without everyone interacting with them. Good descisions are transparent and reversable. Controversial things generally have more than one blocker.
## break time
### break time
## Roundup about breakouts
### Roundup about breakouts
## Checking on qualified yes answers on poll about descision making
### Checking on qualified yes answers on poll about descision making
1 qualified yes. Giving space for the qualifications. No takers.
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**We pass the descision making process.**
## Breakouts
### Breakouts
Calix: Suggestions for other breakout topics?
* Calix: Suggestions for other breakout topics?
Wolcen: 1 & 4 seem closely tied and should be merged.
* Wolcen: 1 & 4 seem closely tied and should be merged.
dc1: Membership should be a topic.
* dc1: Membership should be a topic.
We vote on poll now.
* We vote on poll now.
## Breakout 1 + 3 (technology and technology)
#### Breakout 1 + 3 (technology and technology)
> (See notes below)
We summarized where we're at, what technologies are being used for organizing, what are the dependencies for coop cloud, and what is being developed.
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- debug / entrypoint tools
- catalog normalization
## Breakout 2 (finances)
#### Breakout 2 (finances)
> (See notes below)
Summary: Federation model has tried and failed several times. Priority should be getting some money in. Give what you can should be the main thing and we can see if we need to tweak that.
#### Breakout 4 (membership)
## Breakout 4 (membership)
> (See notes below)
Broke down what membership means. Three classes of membership and what their powers are.
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MVP is protection from capital interest. Existing members vote on new members? Minimal and lean.
## We vote on next meeting time
### We vote on next meeting time
## Checkout process
### Checkout process
- How do you feel?
- What about future?
> How do you feel? What about future?
Calix: Feeling inspired. Topics would love to talk about: Working groups? What comms channels are needed?
* Calix: Feeling inspired. Topics would love to talk about: Working groups? What comms channels are needed?
V: Feeling amazing. In one month?
* V: Feeling amazing. In one month?
dc1: Feeling great, very productive. Looking forward to future.
* dc1: Feeling great, very productive. Looking forward to future.
Trav: Great! THink this works well. Good that we can actually make descisions. Excited and optimistic for future.
* Trav: Great! THink this works well. Good that we can actually make descisions. Excited and optimistic for future.
Mayel: Feel good about meeting. Really good to see energies. Great awesome keep going.
* Mayel: Feel good about meeting. Really good to see energies. Great awesome keep going.
Wolcen: Feels great. Good to see it making progress. Missed meeting pad - having official links for future meetings would be nice to have.
* Wolcen: Feels great. Good to see it making progress. Missed meeting pad - having official links for future meetings would be nice to have.
Cas: Great. Looking forward to nitty gritty stuff.
* Cas: Great. Looking forward to nitty gritty stuff.
kawaiipunk: Tired, but good. Good discussions. Excited to have it open up to other people. Maybe we could hack on technical stuff. Interested in recipes and doing more formal organization.
* kawaiipunk: Tired, but good. Good discussions. Excited to have it open up to other people. Maybe we could hack on technical stuff. Interested in recipes and doing more formal organization.
* Phillipp: Excited this was really great. Language barrier made it a little challenging. Next meeting has a lot of questions and things to do.
Phillipp: Excited this was really great. Language barrier made it a little challenging. Next meeting has a lot of questions and things to do.
## Poll
### Poll
* 1 month wins for next meeting.
## Breakout room #1
### Breakout room minutes
#### Breakout room #1
We have a rambling discussion about things related to software.
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- Standardizing recipe catalog acquisition
- Debug/other hooks/entrypoints
## Breakout room #2
#### Breakout room #2
Breakout Room #2: How should the finances of the federation work?
Trav, Mayel, yksflip, d1, V
* Present: Trav, Mayel, yksflip, d1, V
* trav taking notes
trav taking notes
* d1: want to map what we're already doing. At first unpaid then back-paid. Grant money is gone. Now asking clients to contribute 50% of fee towards Co-op Cloud development. Have not dumped money into OC yet.
d1: want to map what we're already doing. At first unpaid then back-paid. Grant money is gone. Now asking clients to contribute 50% of fee towards Co-op Cloud development. Have not dumped money into OC yet.
* V: why tell clients? Transparency?
V: why tell clients? Transparency?
* d1: yeah transparency, helps get paid out and helps groups understand what they're contributing to.
d1: yeah transparency, helps get paid out and helps groups understand what they're contributing to.
* m: some part of revenue goes back to maintain commons. we know theres more than the config, we have admin, meetings, more services/tools/etc. besides membership dues, I would draft some suggestions/templates for how hosters can split revenue between infra/config/upstream project development...
m: some part of revenue goes back to maintain commons. we know theres more than the config, we have admin, meetings, more services/tools/etc. besides membership dues, I would draft some suggestions/templates for how hosters can split revenue between infra/config/upstream project development...
* yksflip: contribute time to co-op cloud atm. but happy to shuffle money directly to open collective. main funding is public funding, funders need to see who is working on what, transparency/overview stuff. they also have money to give to freelancers. could we have ways to say we give % of the project to the open collective of the fedi. still trying to make local-it sustainable. funding until july and then open question how to go on sustainably.
yksflip: contribute time to co-op cloud atm. but happy to shuffle money directly to open collective. main funding is public funding, funders need to see who is working on what, transparency/overview stuff. they also have money to give to freelancers. could we have ways to say we give % of the project to the open collective of the fedi. still trying to make local-it sustainable. funding until july and then open question how to go on sustainably.
* t: concern on finances is, having enough. paying for meetings is noble but we'll lose money fast. having a prioritisation of where money goes would be great. then as we have cash we put it where we want.
t: concern on finances is, having enough. paying for meetings is noble but we'll lose money fast. having a prioritisation of where money goes would be great. then as we have cash we put it where we want.
* d1: contribute comensurate to number of members in co-op? what would be a practical model? do we attach it to membership (dues?).
d1: contribute comensurate to number of members in co-op? what would be a practical model? do we attach it to membership (dues?).
* v: dues and per-x contribution? are these two differen things?
v: dues and per-x contribution? are these two differen things?
* d1: 2 approaches, end goal is the same, have members contribute to the project
d1: 2 approaches, end goal is the same, have members contribute to the project
* V: we are amalgum, hard to quantify member #s
V: we are amalgum, hard to quantify member #s
* yksflip: best to start with something easy. Co-ops of this size/# of instance, guidelines. Try it and then discuss again in a few months. Compensating meetings is great but maybe some things are more urgent.
yksflip: best to start with something easy. Co-ops of this size/# of instance, guidelines. Try it and then discuss again in a few months. Compensating meetings is great but maybe some things are more urgent.
* V: how does Autonomic do this currently?
V: how does Autonomic do this currently?
* d1: simpler for us as 1 org vs fed. All funds into 1 pot. Tricky to get right. Did call with Co-op Cycle, bike delivery. Start with financial contribution from the start. Money makes things happen.
d1: simpler for us as 1 org vs fed. All funds into 1 pot. Tricky to get right. Did call with Co-op Cycle, bike delivery. Start with financial contribution from the start. Money makes things happen.
#### Breakout #3 did not happen
## Breakout #3 did not happen
#### Breakout #4: Membership
## Breakout #4: Membership
* Jamie (facilitating)
* Kawaiipunk
* Calix (notes)
Jamie (facilitating), Kawaiipunk, Calix (notes)
What are we hoping to learn / decide?
## What are we hoping to learn / decide?
* kp: 3 levels of membership:
* community member
* maintainers of recipes
* federation members
kp: 3 levels of membership:
- community member
- maintainers of recipes
- federation members
* question: boundaries around co-operativeness. open to organisations / individuals? what org. structures permitted for members. co-ops only? worker co-ops only? allied orgs? capitalist orgs? do we allow co-ops
question: boundaries around co-operativeness. open to organisations / individuals? what org. structures permitted for members. co-ops only? worker co-ops only? allied orgs? capitalist orgs? do we allow co-ops
* calix: Q: what is the process for deciding any of above questions? new members, dues, etc.
calix: Q: what is the process for deciding any of above questions? new members, dues, etc.
* j: is there a way for e.g. corporate members to be community members? any previous steps towards decision-making with co-op cloud?
j: is there a way for e.g. corporate members to be community members? any previous steps towards decision-making with co-op cloud?
* Calix: Cooperative Technologists [...] when someone wants to joing it's a network-wide process, case-by-case, open to anyone to in the group; then w/ Autonomic, it's a 2-step process where someone joins provisionally, then as full member after a period of time.
Calix: Cooperative Technologists [...] when someone wants to joing it's a network-wide process, case-by-case, open to anyone to in the group; then w/ Autonomic, it's a 2-step process where someone joins provisionally, then as full member after a period of time.
* j: B-Corp, somewhat controversial category at this point as to whether it means anything or not. Consideration to take network approach to avoid "legalistic" approach, strict "by the books".
j: B-Corp, somewhat controversial category at this point as to whether it means anything or not. Consideration to take network approach to avoid "legalistic" approach, strict "by the books".
* kp: might also be a problem of assessing what counts as a cooperative for international members, different legal formations around the world.
kp: might also be a problem of assessing what counts as a cooperative for international members, different legal formations around the world.
* c: Proposal: the 3 cats, fed-members should be cooperatively run, and aligned with values of the federation. Large decision among federation members to add a new one.
c: Proposal: the 3 cats, fed-members should be cooperatively run, and aligned with values of the federation. Large decision among federation members to add a new one.
* J: Like it. Open it as a question.
J: Like it. Open it as a question.
* c: Could use our new decision making process? Ask for comments before it goes live.
c: Could use our new decision making process? Ask for comments before it goes live.
* kp: Seems quite fundamental. Best to keep simple and iterate.
kp: Seems quite fundamental. Best to keep simple and iterate.
* calix: should there be a federation members only matrix channel to discuss federation decisions?
calix: should there be a federation members only matrix channel to discuss federation decisions?
* kp: guess there'd have to be under current plans. or does it set up too much of an "in group"? proposals could be posted publicly, voting could be in secret, results public? emoji voting in a private channel. transparency = positive.
kp: guess there'd have to be under current plans. or does it set up too much of an "in group"? proposals could be posted publicly, voting could be in secret, results public? emoji voting in a private channel. transparency = positive.
* jamie: public "who voted how"
jamie: public "who voted how"
kp: maybe literally just collecting of voting
* kp: maybe literally just collecting of voting