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+title: 2024-29-03
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+
+## Meta
+
+Time: 29-03-2024
+Present: d1, p4u1, mo
+Call: https://vc.autistici.org/CoopCloudFederationMeeting
+
+## Agenda
+
+- checking in
+- abra release planning https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/583
+- reforms to fedi process
+  - symptoms  
+    - eotl vote delayed weeks
+    - many members not paying dues, no waiver agreed
+    - vera / Flancia left all chats?
+  - proposals
+    - [define fedi member reponsibilities](https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/579)
+    - exit criteria for fedi members
+    - delay x quorom decision making
+    - rolling "credit system" for doing work
+    
+## Notes
+
+### Checking in
+
+d1: last release was gnarly, was tired but now looking forward to coordinating new release
+
+mo: travelling, pretty busy, alakazam presentation/docs/feedback energies
+
+p4: release hell, good progress, happy to see automation for new release. backupbot spec is underway, to discuss soon...
+
+### Release planning
+
+Note about previous release: goreleaser refused to to release on a branch previously, so we reverted the backup changes and reverted the revert after the release
+
+#### Catalogue
+
+why catalogue?
+- advantage: git repository
+- disadvantage: overhead, CI/CD system, people don't understand it, several bugs
+
+proposal: rely on tags in the repository. clone everything to .abra/recipes/... pull tags locally on-the-fly.
+
+if i create a new version of a recipe, the catalogue is not even at all. it just looks locally. the update happens afterwards
+
+precomputing means saving resources later on
+
+With the operator collaboration topic, it will be possible to specificy an app recipe with a git location, it is then possible to skip the catalogue.
+https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/533#issuecomment-19038
+
+recipes.coopcloud.tech (the Elm app) is reading the JSON
+
+in an ideal post-catalogue abra, you could just ref a git org where `RECIPE=<recipe>` would find `https://git.example.com/<org>/<recipe>` and even `RECIPE=<org>/<recipe>`
+
+Backwards compatiblibility will be key. For next next release 🎉
+
+#### Automation test suite
+
+Computing power from somewhere? Local-IT doing migration atm so not ideal timing. Maybe again after a month or so, can check-in again then.
+
+Can also ask Autonomic and/or whoever else feels like they can help.
+
+#### Cli Argument Handling
+
+https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/581
+
+Upgrade to `urfave/cli` version 2 will enforce `abra app command command [command options] <domain> [<service>] <command> [-- <args>]`
+
+Maybe we need a poll to see how people are using it? `@mo` using the strict format anyway, `@d1` not minding, `@p4` in favour...
+
+adding a good/clear warning/error that if using e.g. `--chaos` on the end, it's not possible anymore...
+
+> How do you use flag options (e.g. `--chaos`) with Abra?
+> At the beginning: abra app deploy --chaos app.example.com
+> At the end: abra app deploy app.example.com --chaos
+
+> How annoyed will you be if, we enforce it at the beginning?
+> Not annoyed
+> Slighty annoyed
+> Very annoyed
+> If you are *annoyed, what can we do to help this process? e.g. docs, warning, etc.
+
+Decision vs. poll? It's not really a choice. the lib is broken / enforces this. its ambigous now and just causes issues / questions / confusion.
+
+Hack to re-order options transparently? Some pre-processor which would special case the `[-- ARGS]` for `abra app cmd`.
+
+Doing it one way is just clear for everyone.
+
+Plan: make proposal, get votes. if voted against, try to make new with adaptions / more work/money etc. but compromises with needs. (TODO: `@d1`)
+
+Btw emoji polls are actually broken for some clients 😱
+
+### Fedi process reforms
+
+https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/579
+
+- pay yearly dues or get waiver (don't pay)
+- actively participate in voting
+- actively participate in monthly federation meetings. if you can't make it, please send your updates by text
+- agree to code of conduct
+
+exit criteria?
+
+- no yearly dues arragement
+- no/less voting/participation in meetings
+
+TODO: proposal, pass, check in with people in the "exit criteria" area, are they OK?
+
+### Goals of Federation?
+
+- what is the purpose of the fedi?
+- in relation to theory, ideology, strategy
+- Co-op Cloud Conf !!!
+- let's think about this and check back in
+
+### Next meeting
+
+`@mo` does next poll
+
+
+