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title: 2024-29-03
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## Meta
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Time: 29-03-2024
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Present: d1, p4u1, mo
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Call: https://vc.autistici.org/CoopCloudFederationMeeting
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## Agenda
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- checking in
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- abra release planning https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/583
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- reforms to fedi process
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- symptoms
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- eotl vote delayed weeks
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- many members not paying dues, no waiver agreed
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- vera / Flancia left all chats?
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- proposals
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- [define fedi member reponsibilities](https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/579)
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- exit criteria for fedi members
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- delay x quorom decision making
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- rolling "credit system" for doing work
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## Notes
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### Checking in
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d1: last release was gnarly, was tired but now looking forward to coordinating new release
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mo: travelling, pretty busy, alakazam presentation/docs/feedback energies
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p4: release hell, good progress, happy to see automation for new release. backupbot spec is underway, to discuss soon...
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### Release planning
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Note about previous release: goreleaser refused to to release on a branch previously, so we reverted the backup changes and reverted the revert after the release
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#### Catalogue
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why catalogue?
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- advantage: git repository
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- disadvantage: overhead, CI/CD system, people don't understand it, several bugs
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proposal: rely on tags in the repository. clone everything to .abra/recipes/... pull tags locally on-the-fly.
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if i create a new version of a recipe, the catalogue is not even at all. it just looks locally. the update happens afterwards
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precomputing means saving resources later on
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With the operator collaboration topic, it will be possible to specificy an app recipe with a git location, it is then possible to skip the catalogue.
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https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/533#issuecomment-19038
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recipes.coopcloud.tech (the Elm app) is reading the JSON
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in an ideal post-catalogue abra, you could just ref a git org where `RECIPE=<recipe>` would find `https://git.example.com/<org>/<recipe>` and even `RECIPE=<org>/<recipe>`
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Backwards compatiblibility will be key. For next next release 🎉
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#### Automation test suite
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Computing power from somewhere? Local-IT doing migration atm so not ideal timing. Maybe again after a month or so, can check-in again then.
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Can also ask Autonomic and/or whoever else feels like they can help.
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#### Cli Argument Handling
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https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/581
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Upgrade to `urfave/cli` version 2 will enforce `abra app command command [command options] <domain> [<service>] <command> [-- <args>]`
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Maybe we need a poll to see how people are using it? `@mo` using the strict format anyway, `@d1` not minding, `@p4` in favour...
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adding a good/clear warning/error that if using e.g. `--chaos` on the end, it's not possible anymore...
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> How do you use flag options (e.g. `--chaos`) with Abra?
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> At the beginning: abra app deploy --chaos app.example.com
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> At the end: abra app deploy app.example.com --chaos
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> How annoyed will you be if, we enforce it at the beginning?
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> Not annoyed
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> Slighty annoyed
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> Very annoyed
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> If you are *annoyed, what can we do to help this process? e.g. docs, warning, etc.
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Decision vs. poll? It's not really a choice. the lib is broken / enforces this. its ambigous now and just causes issues / questions / confusion.
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Hack to re-order options transparently? Some pre-processor which would special case the `[-- ARGS]` for `abra app cmd`.
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Doing it one way is just clear for everyone.
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Plan: make proposal, get votes. if voted against, try to make new with adaptions / more work/money etc. but compromises with needs. (TODO: `@d1`)
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Btw emoji polls are actually broken for some clients 😱
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### Fedi process reforms
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https://git.coopcloud.tech/coop-cloud/organising/issues/579
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- pay yearly dues or get waiver (don't pay)
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- actively participate in voting
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- actively participate in monthly federation meetings. if you can't make it, please send your updates by text
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- agree to code of conduct
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exit criteria?
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- no yearly dues arragement
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- no/less voting/participation in meetings
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TODO: proposal, pass, check in with people in the "exit criteria" area, are they OK?
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### Goals of Federation?
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- what is the purpose of the fedi?
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- in relation to theory, ideology, strategy
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- Co-op Cloud Conf !!!
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- let's think about this and check back in
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### Next meeting
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`@mo` does next poll
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